Comments on: Your HR Guy Hates Games

By: Question of the Month: August 2006 « Career Horizons: The Blog!

Question of the Month: August 2006 « Career Horizons: The Blog! — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:24:35 +0000

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By: Your HR Guy

Your HR Guy — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:42:19 +0000

Actually, if I (the HR people collectively) don’t price the job, then I want an honest answer to how much this person wants to be paid. I don’t think that is much of a game. If a person is getting paid what they want, I don’t see what the problem is honestly. And if they accept a price below what they want, how would that change if a range was set or not?

By: Geoff

Geoff — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:11:14 +0000

A smart negotiator will not want to underprice or overprice themselves. Your advice seems to be good advice. The HR person, when they give zero information about the salary range, are getting what they should expect. So your post title said HR people hate games. But you (collectively) have created a system where any reasonable person with no insight into an opaque system with no feedback will respond in ways you don’t like.

By: Your HR Guy

Your HR Guy — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:11:25 +0000

Where did I say I want to have a weak negotiator? Being a “good” negotiator isn’t about stupid things like holding the handshake until the other person releases or making eye contact till the other person looks away. In fact, playing these sorts of games only leads me to believe that they are terrible and not very smart.

By: Geoff

Geoff — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:02:31 +0000

Do you want to hire someone who will weaken their bargaining position upfront? You should be hiring people smart enough to try to avoid playing your game.

If you don’t want games simply tell us how much the position pays. We can take it or leave it from there.

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By: Evil HR Lady

Evil HR Lady — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:02:02 +0000

I’ve never given a salary range before. I’ve said, “my current salary is x base plus y bonus” and then let them infer that I would like more.

Likewise, when I was hiring, I would tell the applicant, “this job pays between x and y” (with the top level usually being the true midpoint as I never had enough power to offer above midpoint.)

Am I a bad HR person?

By: CareerFood

CareerFood — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:46:20 +0000

Don’t be a Big Stinking Goober!

I’ve been on vacation for a while and just getting back into the swing of things. While trying to catch up on my reading, Dan over at Fracat almost made me fall out of my chair laughing with this one.